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Whoever calls himself revolutionary and speaks of dictatorship is only an imbecile or a traitor.
-- Joseph Dejacque

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@anarchistquotes

Anyone who hears "dictatorship of the proletariat" and thinks it's counter-revolutionary is ignorant of Marxism and needs to educate themselves.

@Radical_EgoCom @anarchistquotes If I heard "dictatorship of the proletariat" I would think "Trots squabbling amongst themselves, BAU for them, none of my business" and I would get on with something else having felt no need at all to educate myself about the various factions of lefties.

@TimWardCam @anarchistquotes

You're choosing ignorance, which is nothing to be proud of.

@Radical_EgoCom @anarchistquotes I choose to prioritise my finite bandwidth for learning things in other directions, that's all.

@TimWardCam @anarchistquotes

Rephrasing your choice doesn't make it not "choosing ignorance."

@Radical_EgoCom @anarchistquotes In which case *everybody* "chooses ignorance" about *most* things. Which is a somewhat obvious, and therefore not interesting, observation.

@TimWardCam @anarchistquotes

It's more the fact that you're aware of your ignorance of Marxism, have been made aware (by me right now) that your perception of Marxism is incorrect, and are seemingly okay with it, which is different from someone just being ignorant of something.

@Radical_EgoCom @anarchistquotes I don't have any perception of Marxism other than that lefties are always squabbling with each other (there was even a film scene about it), which I don't think you can claim is "incorrect" with a straight face. youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-

@TimWardCam @anarchistquotes

The fact that you think that the arguments that Marxist have with each other are equivalent to a bunch of people arguing over the names of their groups is proof that you do have a perception of Marxism and that it's blatantly wrong. I don't think you could've shown your ignorance of Marxism any more than trying to compare this video to Marxist infighting, which you very clearly know nothing about.

@TimWardCam @anarchistquotes

Why the hell are you following a Marxist account that posts almost exclusively about Marxism if you clearly have no interest in Marxism?

@Radical_EgoCom @anarchistquotes Don't recall, sorry. But you must have posted something I considered interesting, thoughtful or useful at the time.

@TimWardCam @anarchistquotes @Radical_EgoCom

Marxists are thinkers. Mainstream understanding is purposefully ignorant. Choosing not to think is not the flex you think it is, Tim.

@FranceskaMann @anarchistquotes @Radical_EgoCom I have plenty of other things higher up my list of things to think about. *Nobody* can think about *everything*, there's just too much "everything". And the world wouldn't work as well if we all thought about the same things and we all ignored the same other things.

@Radical_EgoCom @anarchistquotes @TimWardCam

So you're just a guy who hangs out on Marxist threads to shit on Marxists? You are a troll, Tim. Get the fuck out of here.

@FranceskaMann @anarchistquotes

That's why I blocked Tim. I would've been fine with them arguing against Marxism and having a genuine debate, but they don't even care about what Marxism is actually about, only criticizing it from their position of ignorance.

@Radical_EgoCom @anarchistquotes
el problema es que hasta ahora
lo único que hemos visto
ha sido siempre
solo la dictadura de fulano o zutano

@M_el_viejo @anarchistquotes

That's not the way I see it. From what I've read of the Soviet Union and Cuba, to use just two examples, the state was truly a class dictatorship of the proletariat.

@Radical_EgoCom @anarchistquotes
NO desde el ascenso de Stalin en adelante
La definición, marxista😉 , del regimen de la URSS corresponde a capitalismo de estado y eso explica la facilidad con que se convirtió en una oligarquía tradicional😩

@M_el_viejo

The period of state capitalism, the NEP (New Economic Policy), only lasted from 1921 to 1928 and only existed to rebuild the Russian economy after the Civil War. After that, Stalin initiated the first of three five-year plans and the transition into socialism. The bureaucratic elite within the Soviet Union also can not be equivocated with a traditional oligarchy, which is a small group of individuals controlling the state, which wasn't the exact case in the Soviet Union.

@Radical_EgoCom
if you see from a marxist point of view; all the period of the URSS was state capitalism.
Although we would like to think otherwise,

@M_el_viejo

The Soviet Union had a planned economy, nationalized the means of production, and made extensive efforts to abolish capitalist class structures. It was not a perfect socialist system and experienced many deviations, but it was unequivocally a socialist state committed to socialist goals, and I am viewing this from a Marxist point of view.

@Radical_EgoCom
But ownership, control of the means of production and surplus value belonged to the state,
this is what defines state capitalism,
in the light of history that contributed to its failure and transformation into oligarchys,
that's all
good evening friends

you know what?, "dictatorship of the proletariat" has rubbed me the wrong way for quite a long time

until I took the thought that democracy is the dictatorship of the majority, and that the proletariat are the ultimate majority, which makes dictatorship of the proletariat ultimate democracy

@Radical_EgoCom @anarchistquotes I want to be part of an Anarcho-syndicalist commune. I still want the internet and basic things like, food, healthcare, housing, & clothing I feel comfortable in, but I feel like capitalism and the current money system is just oppression in a Starbucks cup. We can do better.

@thedudeabides420

I don't see anarcho-syndicalism as a sufficient alternative to capitalism. Anarchist systems lack the hierarchical authority that is necessary to effectively repress counter-revolution, and its horizontal structure makes it more susceptible to being infiltrated by antagonistic forces than a hierarchical structure.