If text search is ever implemented, it should be limited to your home timeline/mentions only. Lack of full-text search on general content is intentional, due to negative social dynamics of it in other networks
@gargron agreed. too bad there's already someone running a full text search engine :/
@Gargron Thanks for clarifying. :)
@Gargron I respectfully disagree. Users should be allowed to have public information when they want it (and choose to go past content warnings), even if someone thinks it's unpleasant or problematic.
@Gargron and in practice, how can you stop broader search from being implemented by someone in an open system? If users want it, someone will provide it.
@Gargron I don't think you can prevent anyone from searching public toots. They're public after all.
@Gargron what sort of negative social dynamics? Harrasment? Commercial profiling? Spam?
What would be the upside of search on general content? I'd say finding peers, upscaling community.
@Roos ik weet het. Maar ik vrees dat het eerste hier de overhand krijgt.
@Gargron I could see text search of mentions being incredibly useful -- text search of the home timeline could still be pretty easily abused by followbots though
@Gargron As a person who listens on social media to help people during disasters, I'm sad to hear that. If that is true, I hope you would add instance server location to the instance database so that digital humanitarians can try to listen for people sharing disaster info, needs, requests for assistance, etc...
@Gargron secondly, lack of searching of the fediverse makes us stay in our local bubbles and not discover new people to talk with.
In my opinion, this is the wrong solution to a real problem, and it will happen (already happens).
@gargron i was pretty sure google does respect a robots.txt
@synth yeah but it or some other crawler could choose to ignore it lol
@Gargron Hashtags are so 2007 and people don't expect the search to work only on hashtags :/
@Gargron especially since I seem to vaguely remember from previous jobs that Google has a habit of ignoring robots.txt telling it to go away
@Gargron it would be nice if it would be possible to 'follow' hashtags so they'd appear in your 'Home'. a bit like diaspora did. great way to discover content without having to manually search it out.
@Gargron Google en Bing bots respect robots.txt. The NSA and Palantir are a different breed..
@Gargron Hashtags not working accross instances is not intentional but "not yet implemented" though, isn't it?
@Gargron I get what you mean, and I do not disagree. But whatever you choose to do, if it's "possible" we are only one-person-coding-a-script away from "convenient".
TL;DR: Robots.txt may work for google but people are free to interpret their purpose as they see fit.
@Gargron giving users the option to have a robots.txt apply to their page should be possible i'd think
and talking about negative social dynamics...
I'm afraid the entire GinnyMcQueen harassment story is proof Mastodon can't be the promised safe Heaven it appeared to aim at...
It is not that no-one did try to help her out, but it seems to be more complex to address the problem than the volunteers could anticipate...
I hope that now she has started her own instance, she can rain in the negativity the way she likes...
toot ! 🐘
@Gargron This might be worth a blog post or patreon post, I think it needs a long-form justification. I am interested what you are thinking here, and how this solves problems of abuse.
@Gargron What about a per-toot option of “sure, go ahead and index this”?
This isn’t abstract to me — some of the things I’m interested in are never mentioned on the home timeline of my small instance. It’s *very* hard to find people on Mastodon to talk about these topics with.
@Gargron On the topic of the home timeline, is there any plans for more filtering on it, like removing/showing toots with media? Also, will the ability to create custom timelines, like in tweetdeck, ever be added?
@gargron the right choice.
@Gargron You cannot prevent an admin to crawl and index everything that goes through his instance.
@Gargron Suppressing "negative social dynamics" sounds a lot like censorship. It's silly not to have a feature that people want. Search is extremely valuable for many reasons.
@Gargron isn't the negative dynamic the primacy of @ replies rather than the search?
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