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kinda a long shot but can anyone recommend a contemporary english-language chapter-length academic introduction to the history and/or practice of i ching that avoids cultural stereotypes, orientalism, etc? (the "academic" here is meant to signal that i would prefer something rigorous with citations, not necessarily but maybe preferably from someone doing research in the humanities) (also specifically NOT looking for research focused on skepticism or debunking)

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(i have assigned jung's introduction to the wilhelm translation in the past but it does actually need a cw for thoughtless orientalism which i would prefer to avoid in my class where many students are from china)

(not that i would be okay with assigning rampant racism in a class where there were no chinese students, yikes πŸ˜–)

@aparrish I doubt this is the type of thing you are looking for but John Cage talks about his use of the I Ching for composition in his book Silence on pages 57-59.

@aparrish here's the piece of music the comments are atrocious & hilarious at the same time.

i've been reading secret of the golden flower (trans. cleary) but go back to jung's comments on wilhelm's translation from time to time and find the same troubling orientalism

also- i need a CW for christianity!!!
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@aparrish How contemporary? (ex., is mid-1960s OK vs mid-1860s?)

@enkiv2 mid-60s is okay but even in that era i feel like it's hard to find western research and writing about chinese culture that isn't orientalist

@aparrish @enkiv2 Makes sense. I don't have concrete suggestions now but I don't think I have anything on the i-ching that's much newer than that (probably because of all the midcentury material driven by orientalism even if it's not in of itself orientalist)

i found this translation and accompanying texts to be very enlightening

you would need to find the appropriate excerpt

@aparrish well the book webpage has a link to the 13p Introduction?

@kensanata this looks perfect, actually, almost exactly what i'm looking forβ€”maybe one of the chapters will do what i want specifically. thanks for the pointer!

@kensanata I've been wondering about scholarly work about divination like this, and happily my local library has this book. Thanks!

@aparrish has the best reply chains.

Scholarly works on the topic are so lame, I suggest duquette's "I ching of mi lo"

Either that or cut out the middle men and just ask the I ching itself.

@drpeeper thank you for the recommendation. i've been doing fairly in-depth readings in academic approaches to divination for several months now and have found it to be extraordinarily valuable, by and large. rigorous formal approaches to the topic are important to my own research interests and also to the way i want to teach this class.