@Tusky Yes they help!! Both these fonts would be amazing to have in the app 
@Tusky I really like the way Hyperlegible looks there yeah
@Tusky i found opendyslexic to be very useful and i think it'd be a good addition to tusky
@Tusky yes, Atkinson Hyperlegible would be amazing.
There's an extended version too https://github.com/edent/extended-hyperlegible
@bogshifin @Tusky oh thanks for this, i was using the font but noticed it lacked some glyphs. Maybe this extension has the ones i needed
@Tusky Personally I find OpenDyslexic much more readable than traditional fonts, but I've not been diagnosed with dyslexia yet.
What I've seen so far is that dyslexia fonts can be hit or miss because there are several types of dyslexia in different degrees (it's not limited to those famous reading issues that everyone hears about).
I'd push for having OpenDyslexic available in every app if I could.
From experience I can tell that the Alta variant works better in user interfaces, IIRC it uses less vertical space. But that's something worth testing in the app itself.
I've heard of Atkinson Hyperlegible elsewhere, I didn't really feel any difference but it might be quite approachable since it's much closer to traditional fonts.
@Tusky We added #OpenDyslexic to the #WSExport #Wikisource tool, because readers asked us to be able to generate ebooks that made use of that font.
So (as I'm not dyslexic myself), I guess it's useful! 
@Tusky Is Atkinson Hyperlegible also for dyslexia people?
@CaramelTaste it was designed for visually impaired people but it has the same qualities as other fonts designed specifically for dyslexic folks - each letter and symbol has a unique shape making them easier to distinguish :)
@Anna nice, got try them later
@CaramelTaste
Well, it is designed so that you easily can distinct letters that are similiar in other fonts, especially if you have poor eyesight.
But seems to work for dyslexia, too.
@Tusky
@CaramelTaste @Tusky Atkinson Hyperlegible https://brailleinstitute.org/freefont is more for people with low vision.
But depending on how dyslexia is affecting someone, it may help.
@Tusky
is it possible for you to add fonts such as Vazirmatn or Estedad to #tusky?
@Tusky Maybe an option to use a downloaded font would be useful?
@Tusky I am not dyslexic but I would LOVE it if Atkinson Hyperlegible was a possibility. I'm partially sighted and it's the most readable font for me.
@Tusky I found that ABeeZee, Andika and Kanit from Google fonts were also good for readability
@Tusky@mastodon.social I don't think I'm dyslexic, but I use OpenDyslexic in some contexts and it helps.
@Tusky i mean, include as many free fonts as possible honestly
@Tusky OpenDyslexic, Inconstant Regular and Comic (yes! It's a very readable font) work well
@Tusky I don't use the fonts on my phone. But opendyslexia on my kindle has been a revelation.
@Tusky You should probably consider that OpenDyslexic is not supported by the relevant research into how dyslexia works, and is instead based on some unsubstantiated personal ideas of its developer.
That's not just my opinion; there is a lengthy issue about this topic on the Google Fonts repo here: https://github.com/google/fonts/issues/558
The original intentions may've been well-meaning, but it's misinformation that I'd strongly object to being re-boosted.
Atkinson, conversely, is well-done & research-based.
@abuseofnotation @Tusky no; that's personal anecdote, it's not data.
Everyone already has the freedom to use what they like locally.
Vendors or projects telling the public that a font improves or solves their condition when the research shows that it doesn't is different. That's spreading potentially harmful misinformation.
@abuseofnotation @Tusky Read the actual studies linked to in the issue that I posted, then: there is no effect.
I can see from your other post on this thread that you're actually getting involved to promote your own similar work. The same conditions apply. Good intentions may be nice, but making unsupported medical claims is misleading.
@n8 @Tusky Not familiar with Open Dyslexiv and trying to have a go, but if we want to follow scientific standards, the claim that "there is no effect" is also misleading - that no effect was observed in a particular study does not mean that there is no effect in general. Rather we can say that the effect is not confirmed.
I, personally, don't make any "medical" claims, I just summarize some of the things that I noticed and formed a hypothesis (that's part of the scientific process).
Unfortunately, it has already been found that OpenDyslexic worsens readability on average for people with dyslexia compared to Arial.
in the study attached below it is even nicely listed what the problem is if it has no effect at all. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11881-016-0127-1
@antontartz @abuseofnotation @n8 @Tusky yup. i don't know if it's because i had to learn everything about fonts so i could see not only my CMS pages but what i published on my blogs, but it gives me a headache.
fonts with variability of widths & thickness like NOTO, DROID and ROBOTO is really the way to go.
@blogdiva @antontartz @n8 @Tusky you mean variability between vertical and horizontal lines?
@n8 > that's personal anecdote, it's not data
That’s technically a true statement.
It’s also wildly irrelevant.
If it helps someone, it helps someone. That doesn’t magically change because someone ran a study on a bunch of other people and didn’t find that it assisted those other people.
Operating as if the study does magically invalidate a person’s experience is *way* more anti-scientific than listening to anecdotal evidence. Literally ignoring evidence to fit a conclusion.
@jepyang Hogwash. Telling people that crystals will cure their cancer is a harmful lie, as is telling them that a font will correct their dyslexic symptoms. Peddling the snake oil is wrong to begin with, and it's doubly wrong to hype that garbage and devalue the ACTUAL scientific work that other people, who know what they're doing, put in to ACTUALLY assist people. As the Atkinson people and other legitimate researchers do.
@jepyang Check this out while you're at it, it's exactly as scientific: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic
@n8 @jepyang As I just told someone else:
People are upset because you are answering a question you weren't asked on behalf of other people who didn't ask you to answer them.
This question was very specific and directed at a specific group of people. "Answers" like this are a derail, and of course people are going to find that unpleasant and unwelcome.
If you are not part of the target audience of the question, you are butting in.
@Tusky
Side note here; I am now blocking
@abuseofnotation@mathstodon.xyz who wants to promote misinformation that is misleading to people with dyslexia. I don't have the time for that.
am rabidly dyslexic and a web designer and vehemently, PASSIONATELY hate that g'dman font. it's horrible.
personally, am partial to NOTO, DROID & ROBOTO. they don't tire my eyes.
bare minimum of accessibility for me, includes changing font, font size, colors & spacing.
here's how i've changed the maston.social deck, using the Firefox extension STYLUS.
i need visual variety, if not, won't see whole chunks of text while reading
@blogdiva Cool extension!
@Tusky yes for both please!!
Time for some self-promotion: right now I am designing a typeface that some people say is easy to read by dyslexic people
https://github.com/abuseofnotation/abuseofnotation.github.io/tree/master/mell
From what I gather, it seems that dyslexic people are confused by fonts in which the glyphs are very similar to one another (e.g. ones where b,d,p,q are one and the same character).
Anyway, if you are interested I would gladly provide my font to Tusky and fix any issues with it, that you guys find.
@Tusky comic sans
@Tusky when i first time seen OpenDyslexic fond (right now) i thought that it's font that emulate effect of dyslexia for some educational reason. But when i try actually read text in this font i immediately realize that it's as readable as my favorite sans font.
Of course partly it's because of size, but still
@Tusky 
Accessibility nerd here!
The important bit is providing options, so things like a variety of typefaces, plus line height and letter spacing to allow someone to self-serve.
@Tusky I find the jiffy reader chrome extension helpful
@Tusky Fantastic work. Thank you!
@Tusky I don't have dyslexia myself, but I asked a friend that does, and they very much prefer OpenDyslexic over Atkinson
@SignorMacchina I think OpenDyslexia's objective usefulness was debunked by studies a while ago. But: if people _like_ it, one can still include it, of course.
@claudius @Tusky @SignorMacchina My store of responses from dyslexics to Dyslexie and similar fonts is (from memory) 4 against, ranging from “doesn’t do anything special for me” to “hot mess”, and 1 very much in favour and wanting Dyslexie as her system font for everything.
The BBC did work a few years back when developing their new font (with a dyslexic Head of UX Design deeply in the project).
Summary article here: https://abilitynet.org.uk/news-blogs/how-bbc-designed-accessible-typeface
@Tusky I do not have dyslexia, but I use Atkinson Hyperlegible as my default font on desktop because I find it easier to read, and would love to have it in Tusky as well. OpenDyslexic is borderline unreadable for me, but I would be happy to see it added for those who find it helpful.
nice idea. However, studies have shown that OpenDyslexic [1] and other "dyslexia" fonts [2] do not really have an impact on the reading success of people with dyslexia. In some comparisons, these fonts even perform poorly. [1] (however, it is true that some fonts are better than others, i.e. Arial is better than Times New Romen [3]).
However, that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist as an option for those who want it.
1: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11881-016-0127-1
2: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/dys.1527
3: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/2513383.2513447
@antontartz oh thank God.
I ~do~ have dyslexia and I have never found that those fonts make a difference. Plus, I hate the childish look of OpenDyslexic. It feels condescending.
It doesn't address the way dyslexia affects me at all. My dyslexic brain views information as "buckets". Each word is a bucket in which letters go. Imagine the letter tiles from a Scrabble game, and grabbing all the letter tiles for the word giraffe. Now put those tiles into a bag. That bag is now the word/concept of giraffe.
All the posts about rearranging all the letters inside a word but leaving the first and last in their correct places? I have no problem with that.
Dyslexia happens in the brain, not on the page. Which is why, when I'm tired, I'll type p instead of d even though they aren't near each other on the keyboard.
Discalcula is a bitch too, but that won't be solved with a font.
@Tusky yes I love Atkinson Hyperlegible 
@Tusky I don't think AH is specifically for dyslexia though, but it does improve readability for people with different vision issues
I don't think I'm dyslexic, but I do have issues keeping place when reading dense texts/long posts, and the dyslexia fonts do help with thet issue