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blaine

@erincandescent@queer.af @trwnh @mralanorth@ioc.exchange @shengokai ☝️☝️☝️

The model where everyone gets a new identity for every community they join (1) largely defeats the purpose of federation (2) does not scale as people have *many* communities of interest and (3) doesn't map to our natural conception of identity.

I *hope* it's fixable. May take some convincing of Eugen, which seems hard from this vantage point.

@blaine @erincandescent @trwnh @mralanorth @shengokai I hope Eugen is open to experimentation within the bounds of the protocol!

@blaine Thank you! I've been saying this forever.

I also agree that the instance timeline is a useful way for a community to come together, but I think that can be accomplished differently while everyone can still have their primary identity in one place.

And of course, someone should also be able to have multiple separate identities if they want to!

@aaronpk 💯

I totally think "local instances" have a place, where there's strong overlap between your contextual identity and your instance - e.g., work or other closed community-based instances like @darius's friend camp, where federation is a little external communication you can have as a treat, not the primary mode.

I wonder if @Gargron's opposition to the private community TL, which was originally grounded in a fear of losing network effects, may have waned now that the network is booming?

@blaine I love your use of federation as a little treat here haha

@darius I love making you happy 😁

@blaine @erincandescent @trwnh @mralanorth @shengokai Regarding the many communities thing, I really like #Diaspora's "aspects" feature, which Google Plus later implemented as "circles".

It allows for one identity to participate in different communities and keep things tidy.

Mastodon' "lists" are kind of like that.

@ticho @erincandescent@queer.af @trwnh @mralanorth@ioc.exchange @shengokai 💯

Circles got it exactly backwards (typical "state thinking" cf Scott).

😣 Curating static lists of people
😁 Joining fluid shared contexts

@shengokai @blaine @erincandescent @ticho @trwnh @mralanorth

😣 Curating static lists of people
😁 Joining fluid shared contexts”
🥰 cross-boundary communication, in context

@ticho @blaine @erincandescent@queer.af @mralanorth@ioc.exchange @shengokai lists are actually the opposite of circles/aspects -- a list is a subset of your follows, used to create multiple timelines. there should be a way to create subsets of your *followers*, and save those as custom audiences (a la twitter circle / instagram close friends, but more flexible)

circles/aspects were confusing because they mixed follower and following functionality.

@trwnh @ticho @erincandescent@queer.af @mralanorth@ioc.exchange @shengokai for me that's a use-case for a different identity and/or a different context on an existing identity. Eg, the people who I would follow/let follow me on fedistrava are different than pixelfed or mastodon or newsfed; defining who to send a post to within one context is (I think!) too much for the ux of any app to bear. (The scope toggle on mastodon is already way too overloaded and complicated)

Before you start thinking for reinventing the wheel I would suggest you take a closer look at
#hubzilla and #streams

https://hubzilla.org

https://codeberg.org/streams

This Fedi Projects have all the features you ask for !

It just needs an UI/UT Pro who invests some time and work and you will have the optimum you can ask for ... Don 't you know someone who we can ask do this UI/UT job?

@infinite love ⴳ @Evan Prodromou @Erin @christina bowen @blaine @Simeon Nedkov @benjamin melançon @Kevix (he/him) @Django
im.allmendenetz.deim.allmendenetz.de

@blaine Is it technically possible to have a single identity in a federation without a central identity authority? I’m new to federation (combined with auth).

@simeon @blaine yes, but it has to be defined around cryptographic public keys as identifiers with digital signatures to authenticate.

@simeon yes! Definitely. Webfinger federates identity across domain (as in DNS) boundaries; I think it's a good model, but definitely worth exploring alternatives!

@blaine @erincandescent@queer.af @trwnh @mralanorth@ioc.exchange @shengokai One's identity should be persistent and independent of community membership. But, one could have many aliases.

Could we use a DNS like system that allowed one to set up a community identity server that assigns community-specific aliases which map to persistent, community-independent identities? (i.e. You would use this service to discover that bobwyman@xoogler was the same as bob@activitypub.wyman.us. Or, the inverse.)

@bobwyman @blaine @erincandescent@queer.af @trwnh @mralanorth@ioc.exchange @shengokai sound like a "personas" concept is applicable here. You'd have one account with multiple profiles, and can associate your posts and other activity with specific profiles.

@Natanael_L @blaine @erincandescent@queer.af @trwnh @mralanorth@ioc.exchange @shengokai
"Personas" would allow flexible resolution when roles change and thus persistence of role-based identities. Thus, "@POTUS@whitehouse.gov" might be one person today, but another in a few years. To make the switch, you'd just change the mapping.

@bobwyman @blaine @erincandescent@queer.af @trwnh @mralanorth@ioc.exchange @shengokai that sounds like a type of alias / non-personal role based profile, it could probably work in a similar way to personal personas. From the perspective of people interacting with you the two are the same, they're only different from the administrative side (who controls the mapping, etc).