@lobre @arosano Hi there, I answer from my other account. I sidelined my #hachyderm presence.
I use #cwm on an #openbsd with a 24” monitor. My workflow is that I start 3 consoles and #cwm tiles them for me. The big one on the left is for editing code. The top right is for builds and tests, the bottom right for various related tasks. I could probably do the same with #tmux or #screen. This works for me.
I will normally have a browser running behind the consoles, to take up when I need a search or something. I mad a right click menu with a few apps that I use a lot.

@jhx #none! Use #cwm only

@wdormann I suggest you change to the #cwm where this is easily done with the keyboard.

@slembcke

I mean, I totally get that if you only ever use gnome.

If you don't care to use Gnome because:

1. Poor contrast between active and inactive window titlebars is a usability nightmare that was fixed in the early 1980s and broken in the past five years for no good reason
2. Client-side decorations are another foolish kill-usability-for-shallow-aesthetics fad that needs to die
3. You want a configurable system. It's #UNIX, dagnabbit.
4. You'd prefer a more lightweight system (not as big a deal as it was 5 years ago, props to them for making it a lot more efficient)

..and so you find yourself using #KDE, or #i3wm, or #sway, or heck, #jwm, #twm, #ctwm, #cwm, #icewm, or whatever...

...and you open a Gnome app. What do you get? An application that's integrated nicely with the rest of your system? Heck no! You get an app that sticks out like a sore thumb. Honestly, everything that happens within the application window is up to the devs, and I don't begrudge whatever style you use there. But taking over the titlebar I simply will not tolerate.

Honestly, if not for the CSDs, I'd never complain about Gnome. I'd use whatever (ethical) solution works best for my workflow and go about my day. But now using gnome apps feels like it's an advertisement for a cult-like mentality. I open Gnome Web, or Gnome Disks, Gnome Boxes, or whatnot, and boom, I'm lost. Where's my titlebar color? Gone. Which window is active? No blasted idea.

Sorry for the rant, I just really can't stand that. Other than that, I could say a lot of positive things about gnome. I'm glad they're there. But the mentality is feeling more cultish/corporate all the time.

@vkc your youtube channel is great, your present enthusiasm reminded me of my past enthusiasm. Very refreshing.

But what you should really try is #OpenBSD, which is a lovely little gem. But not with default #cwm, that's...not as lovely. #i3 is nice.

@rl_dane @thelinuxcast

Well, there is a reason I neither use GNOME, nor DWM, or ST :p

I have recently re-tooled EVERYTHING to #Wayland: #i3wm -> #sway, and #KDE #Plasma 5.27 to Wayland(-mode), even though it's a touch buggy, and there are things I rely on like Xbanish that just have no replacement in Plasma+Sway. My only XOrg box now is my #OpenBSD box (now running i3, formerly #cwm).

Exactly, there is the reason why I stay on Xorg, there is no real compelling reason to switch.

Other than the issue of screen tearing when watching videos, and some purely theoretical performance improvements,

Yeah, I've heard a lot of people talking about that, haven't really seen it in practice, might be that my brain just learned to compensate from watching too many ultracompressed, full of artifacts videos when I grew up :p

So... uhh.. Wayland is THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE, but just as we have been suspecting for the past decade, the future kinda sucks.

Well I guess I'll leave the future up to the youngsters :p They can enjoy it as they want to, I'll stay here using my old tools for the time being at least :p

@sotolf

> @rl_dane I have tried dealing with suckless software and patches, and the more patches you bring into st the more wacked out it becomes, it starts having weird issues, some of the patches don't gel well with each other, and hand merging them are not that much fun.

@thelinuxcast recently compared Gnome (needing extensions to be usable) to suckless' tools (needing patches to be usable), and now I see how that can go both ways (positive and negative). One time 5 years ago when I was trying to get along with Gnome, I had two conflicting extensions that filled up /var (which was /, derp) within minutes with log messages. sigh. As an old friend would say rather dismissively in these situations, "NEXT VICTIM!"

> Xorg is great, it still works, and you can pry it out of my cold dead hands, I don't see the value of wayland, sure it does things differently, but in my experience, even after well over a decade of work on it, it still doesn't really work well, it makes things harder for no good reason just "security" well if someone gets so into my box that they can execute code on it I'm screwed no matter what I have on there, I just don't really get it.
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> Maybe some day it will catch up, but today, no today is not that day :p

I have recently re-tooled EVERYTHING to #Wayland: #i3wm -> #sway, and #KDE #Plasma 5.27 to Wayland(-mode), even though it's a touch buggy, and there are things I rely on like Xbanish that just have no replacement in Plasma+Sway. My only XOrg box now is my #OpenBSD box (now running i3, formerly #cwm).

Other than the issue of screen tearing when watching videos, and some purely theoretical performance improvements, I'm no better for being 99% Wayland now. Sway is great, and does absolutely everything I need (even though it's very slow to reload compared to i3wm for some reason), but that's only because the Sway community has done a lot of hard work to re-implement everything that the i3 community needed/wanted (or provide hacks/scripts to do the same). KDE+Wayland is not nearly as nice an experience.

So... uhh.. Wayland is THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE, but just as we have been suspecting for the past decade, the future kinda sucks. :P