The fediverse has arrived at WordPress.com
https://wordpress.com/blog/2023/10/11/activitypub/
thanks @mattwiebe and #wordpressdotcom and #Automattic and all other contributors!!!
This is amazing!!!
Gratuliere @pfefferle
@depone bissle aufregend!!!
@pfefferle @mattwiebe this is awesome! lot of people freed !
hello
two things i noticed on the few blogs i’m following, maybe they’re still experimenting with the plugin but…
Mostly the discover happen when the owners share once their blog AP address from within a mastodon account, which in theory they don’t even have to have.
This is also a great option for subscribing to a blog you didn’t know that was on the fediverse
@luca @mattwiebe that is a really good point. we have the onboarding flow on top of our list and I will add "predefined pages”! thanks for the feedback!
@pfefferle @mattwiebe please release some stats as sites enable the feature! Congrats on this milestone.
@cdevroe @mattwiebe we plan to build a NodeInfo endpoint so that you will see the stats on fedidb.org
@pfefferle Does this mean that you will try to implement monthly user activity (MUA)? @cdevroe @mattwiebe
@mattwiebe wonderful! I had a feeling this was imminent when I saw @pfefferle experimenting with a wp.com blog on his timeline :P
@pfefferle I'm glad WordPress has added this as an option for WordPress.com sites. A plugin has been available for self-hosted WordPress installs. I've been running it on my personal site and it works nicely: @jonathan. I have it set up that if someone replies in Mastodon it will show up in a comment on the site and vice-versa.
@pfefferle @mattwiebe this is GREAT!
@pfefferle @mattwiebe Fantastic news! Congrats and thank you for your work getting to this point!
@sahil @pfefferle Good question! Not yet but we'll look into enabling it there soon.
@miklo @mattwiebe good point!
@miklo we will get there when we can - some of our public-facing sites have very… complex configurations that don't allow just flicking the switch
@pfefferle does the latest iteration allow for replies to the comments directly from the blog account to be federated? Or is that still planned for a future version? Either way. This is awesome and I'm super glad it exists.
@BeAware that is the focus for the next sprint!
@pfefferle @mattwiebe very excited for this!
@pfefferle @mattwiebe Awesome! I’ve been waiting for this! Thanks
@pfefferle @mattwiebe still half assed though by auttomatic. Better plugins exist that let you choose an already existing account rather than adding another wordpress account to the millions already out there with an obscure name
@3dcandy @pfefferle we've actually had that feature for months now https://wordpress.com/support/post-automatically-to-social-media/#mastodon
@mattwiebe @pfefferle only through wordpress.com though since jetpack has had it's functionality reduced so much and you are desperate for money
@mattwiebe @pfefferle thanks but no thanks. Keeping it effectively behind a paywall via Jetpack isn't really what I see as in the spirit of the fediverse. As I said better plugins exist
cc: @bracken
I guess the issue you were having previously with it being a paid-only feature has been fixed :)
@ch0ccyra1n oh awesome!
@pfefferle @mattwiebe wie ist das bei wordpress.org
@grubenlampe45 @mattwiebe für die WordPress.org Website oder für Self-Hosted?
@pfefferle @mattwiebe self hosted
@pfefferle @mattwiebe thank you very much ️ have a nice evening
@pfefferle same thing for "Ghost" would be so good! #ghostcms
@pfefferle @mattwiebe fantastic work, Matthias! I ended up moving up to a paid plan while I was waiting for this to arrive on dotcom (and, I'll stay on that), but I am really excited to see Wordpress join the rest of the #fediverse!
@pfefferle @mattwiebe now tumblr? ;)
@pfefferle @mattwiebe It looks like it's sending `contentMap` as an array while it should be an object: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#dfn-content
@pfefferle@mastodon.social @mattwiebe@mastodon.social
everytime this has been brought up over the past couple of months I've asked the same question:
What is WP's privacy policy for visitors to content hosted on WP? Last time I checked only WP account holders are explicitly named.
I don't really expect an answer but I do want to give everyone, WP users and non, pause for thought about the implications of accessing content on WP.
@Theriac @mattwiebe I am not sure I understand your question correctly (correct me if not), but currently WordPress only supports public content and ignores everything else.
@pfefferle@mastodon.social @mattwiebe@mastodon.social
if you are a WP user, WP has a stated privacy policy where it lists data that will be collected from its users.
What I'm asking about is the data of non users, say a someone on the #fediverse following a link to a post on WP. I haven't checked since the topic first popped up on the #fediverse announcing WP were working towards being here, and at that time there was no mention WP's attitude to data collection from non-users. As it stood WP could take as little or as much as it wanted.
If WP's policy remains unchanged now its presence here is a reality, I'm suggesting it's fair to put them in the same "assume the worst case scenario" basket as #facebook, #twitter, #instagram, #google and #reddit regarding data mining.
@Theriac I'm not sure what you're asking. WP's privacy policy is detailed on their website and if you follow a link to their website, they will collect the same information as they would from anyone else following a link, regardless of whether it comes from fedi, or anywhere else.
@DeShawnFranco
I've posted elsewhere on the thread so rather than repeat here and still answer your question -
When the idea of WP on the #fediverse was first floated there was no mention of what data WP took from interactions with non users, and what they did with that data.
@Theriac Yeah, I don't understand. By "non-users" you mean "people without a WP fedi account"? They don't have access to anything from your account that they can't get from just crawling ActivityPub, because ActivityPub doesn't give them access to anything else.
Them hosting a federated software doesn't give them access to any additional information they didn't already have. From their users, or anyone else's users. You don't need to read their Privacy Policy for this, it's just how AP works.
@DeShawnFranco
the gist is this:
there are 2 people - A and B.
A has a WP account and writes a post there, then links that in a post on the #fediverse.
B who simply clicks on the link to view A's post is accessing content on WP.
WP has a privacy statement where it defines what users can expect which A agrees to by dint of having his own account.
B has signed or agreed to nothing.
My concern is for B's user data.
@Theriac B gets treated like anyone else who follows a WP link...?
@DeShawnFranco
That's the crux. What is the treatment? Is it full Facebook/Google Stasi levels of spying and if not, where is it clearly stated what WP will do?
Given that the #fediverse is the antithesis of web 2.0 and they have just linked to it, surely WP took this into consideration.
@Theriac It's stated in the Privacy Policy.
@DeShawnFranco
Again that's the thing - the privacy policy doesn't explicitly say what a non-user will be subject to.
I does however mention the exsistence of an ad system.
https://automattic.com/privacy/
Compare automattic's to that of wordpress.org which does explicitly state what visitors can expect.
https://wordpress.org/about/privacy/
@pfefferle@mastodon.social @mattwiebe@mastodon.social
I've checked the Privacy policy and they have added a section dealing specifically with visitors
key points are:
WordPress.org also collects potentially personally-identifying information like Internet Protocol (IP) addresses. WordPress.org does not use IP addresses to identify its visitors, however, and does not disclose such information, other than under the same circumstances that it uses and discloses personally-identifying information,
WordPress.org will not rent or sell potentially personally-identifying and personally-identifying information to anyone
Third party links
Our website may contain links to other websites provided by third parties not under our control. When following a link and providing information to a 3rd-party website, please be aware that we are not responsible for the data provided to that third party.
@Theriac @pfefferle that's WordPress.org, the website for the open source project. You can see our policies for WordPress.com here https://wordpress.com/support/category/policies-safety/
Otherwise, we're a service company, not an advertising company, and our data collection/retention policies reflect that.
@mattwiebe@mastodon.social @pfefferle@mastodon.social
The only relevant link I can find beyond WordPress.org is the one for automattic
https://automattic.com/privacy/
Assuming this is the correct document (and I'm fine with being corrected if not) and having read it, I'm still none the wiser as to what WP will collect from a casual visitor though there is mention of an advertising program suggesting some level of data collection to measure if advertisers are getting their money's worth.
@pfefferle
@mattwiebe @Gargron oooh might be time to move myself off blogger - which while still working does seem to have been abandoned by Google - I'm forever anticipating that 'oh we killed that' update.
@pfefferle @mattwiebe Not yet working for me. My site appears when I search for it on Mastodon, but for some reason it requires approval to follow, yet no request is sent. I'm sure it'll be ironed out soon.
@imarc what's your blog's URL?
@imarc @mattwiebe can you share your domain with us?
@pfefferle @mattwiebe Sure it is: imarc.co.uk
@imarc @pfefferle I was able to follow @imarc.co.uk ok from my Mastodon account here, didn't see anything about follow approval